
Hi Jean-Michel, Kevin is on vacation, let me jump in. On 30/06/2023, 17:31, "jeanmichel.combes@orange.com" <jeanmichel.combes@orange.com> wrote: […] It has been discussed in various community meetings (e.g. at RIPE and APRICOT) and by the Steering Committee over the last year or so. There has been significant support for doing this and really no objections to publishing data that can already be found the public domain. <JMC> IMO, such a decision should have been discussed/voted during a MANRS community meeting (cf. https://www.manrs.org/about/governance/community-charter/). Indeed, everyone is not able to attend physically side meetings during RIPE/APRICOT/etc. meeting and, as mentioned (cf. Andrei’s email), this publication is an important step for the MANRS initiative. Yes, good point. We will make sure our communication is better next time. BTW, “data that can already be found the public domain” is not correct from my point of view: this is a publication of a public data *interpretation*, based on the measurement framework *specified by the MANRS initiative*. Unfortunately, this one is not perfect. Especially, for network operators having a large customers cone (e.g., Tier-1), as I raised during the specification of this framework. Maybe, it should be wise/useful to provide a “warning” message on the WWW site (e.g., “MANRS readiness index is measured per Action using this measurement framework, which doesn’t take into account network operator’s customers cone – potential new version of this framework could solve this issue”)? Could you please elaborate on the problems related to the customer cone? </JMC> Do you have any specific concerns with publishing this data? <JMC> Yes – based on the RIPE side meeting slides, about: - Process – OPT-IN by default Generally, OPT-OUT is not well appreciated (i.e., looks like an “enforced” action) … I would have preferred a “OPT-IN” (i.e., OPT-OUT by default) based process. BTW, must an operator OPT-OUT each month if it wants to be OPT-OUTed? No, one request is enough. If someone wants to be opted-out they should contact the secretariat at contact@manrs.org<mailto:contact@manrs.org>. For those who oped-out tick marks will be shown instead of the scores. - Process – Delay to review IMO, 15-days review would be wiser. - Data – Measurement Framework Cf. previous comment on measurement framework and customers cone impacting the operator’s scores. </JMC> I appreciate there are parameters we as the community would like to tune. That is why we rolled this out in two phases. Let us run it for some time and review the situation before rolling out the next phase. Answers to the questions like you ask should be more clear then. Thank you for your feedback, Regards, Andrei